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Looking at a few "restored" /2s...am I nuts? (long newbie questions warning)
Looking at a few "restored" /2s...am I nuts? (long newbie questions warning)
I've been looking around for a while now for a /2 - I've found a few, but I'm still a little apprehensive about spending close to $9k on something I don't totally know the history of. I've seen enough sketchy bikes to make me jaded this past year...
I'm looking at a black R60/2 in particular, definitely a repaint, speedometer has been replaced very recently (within 100 miles), owner says he's got receipts for all the work done to it, but I haven't personally gone to see it. I know to check about the slingers, splines, all the general kind of stuff - any other particulars that you guys would recommend inspecting with a /2 of unknown total mileage?
There's also a R50/2 closer to me that a respected mechanic is selling, seems to be in more original cosmetic condition with a supposedly original 12k miles on the clock, which does make me feel a little better. However, I'm debating whether or not I really need that extra 4hp of the R60; this will be my first bike, and its main use is going to be weekend rides on country and mountain roads with the occasional interstate run. Two-up is a possibility, but wouldn't be a regular thing. Should I be concerned about the R50 not having enough oomph?
Thanks in advance...sure this won't be the end of my questions
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RE: additional /2 questions
RE: R50/2 -- I think you'd be generally disappointed with the lower powered 500cc especially two-up and the Interstate traveling. The R69S has the oomph to get to speed pretty quickly and hold it's own at highway speeds. But that goes downhill with the R60/2 and more so with the R50/2.
'78 R100/7 '69 R69S '52 R25/2
Fast. Neat. Average. Friendly. Good. Good.
Yeah, I was reading Duane,
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I wouldn't call it a big
'78 R100/7 '69 R69S '52 R25/2
Fast. Neat. Average. Friendly. Good. Good.
I'd buy the best, low mileage
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Good luck
Also, I have a limited experience with bikes apart from my old 60s Vespa machines.
But now I am the proud owner of two R60 '68 bikes (my wife is not so crazy over them but is tagging along on the rides). One with a sidecar, which works fine, even in 90 km/h (about 60 mph?)! The other one I tore apart in pieces & am putting together now. My point is, you learn as you go. Get all the books you can get on the bike of your choice plus read as much as you have time here on the forums. Thanks to all you guys with your great knowledge!
Cheers & good luck / Tobba in Sweden
BMW R60 1959
Eye's Wide Open
In another 10 to 20 years there will be very few that really understand and will be able to work on them ( the hard stuff.. engine and tranny rebuilds) and it will get more expensive, both parts and labor. We are in the realm of collectors.
I have had my R50 since1997 when I paid $1450 for a non running dusty,light rusty, well used R50. I professionally had all the sheet metal repainted and I hand painted the frame, bead blasted the aluminum and had all the chrome re-done. New exhaust pipes and wire harness, and new coil, voltage regulator and battery all as close to stock as possible. Re-assembled it and it fired right up. I did all my own basic stuff.
I was lighter about 5.2k and it was 2009. Bike looked and ran good.. no complaints till the clutch started to slip. My oversite; by over filling the tranny and the oil passed to the clutch assembly via the actuator rod.. what the heck.. I have no idea when this engine was last serviced for slingers and over all I just knew it had some miles on it.. this puppy has been down the road and it has had fair maintenance..just a few spun bolts on the oil pan and the valve covers were somewhat worn due to rash..one center pin needed the helicoil fix.
So, I bit the bullet and pulled the engine and tranny.. sent the engine out to a professional on the west coast.
(If you want to know who you can pm me.)
Sent for slingers, and obvious head work... but the list was extensive. Back slinger was damaged on prior installation. It was reported by my expert that the service was done, but had a few errors in place. So, it was most likely a do it yourselfer or a nightshade shop that did not fully understand the nuances of an engine case at 275 degrees F. This is not work for the timid or for lightweights. I know what I can do and what I should not attempt. I sent the unit to a pro. (and am glad I did, my confidence level is high)
But, it goes on, the rear carrier bearing was in need of replacement, the bearings and con-rod journals were mucked up. new seals, new bearings, new slingers, rebuilt journals, head threads, valves, seats, guides, springs, rings, pushrod tubes, all on top of special tools and labor skills to reassemble with heat and presses.. I could see the $$$$$$$ flying by... but what is the alternative.
In my mind, I had budgeted $2500 to $3000.
So now it is done, basically a new engine and with shipping and handling from Alaska...(barge service and truck delivery both ways) I now will have 9K+ in a 1960, R50 (before /2 model), that I plan to keep for the rest of my life and ride only on sunny days at less then 50mph.
It has 18K on the 1962 clock?? Most likely it has less than 30K miles estimated.
We have thirty miles of paved road on the island that Ketchikan, anchors and the top speed limit is 50mph.
I'm looking forward to it with joy and have no unusual expectations. It will only get better and the values of a well kept earls machine will only go up as the numbers of good ones diminish annually.
The way I look at it is that I am just the caretaker for now.
Jim Dahl
Ketchikan, Alaska
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