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Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:38 pm
by Datchew
1964 r50/2

Magneto ignition with fresh coil
Rocky point ignition switch
12v system with "lathed" 1980's airhead rotor and stator with under-tank regulator.
Harms points plate.
Everything but crank and heads done by your truly since it was built from a frame and 15 boxes of parts in 2005 era.
That gives the background. I know the bike well. Have had it titled in 5 states now. Runs well.

One gremlin I can't solve is a sporadic miss.
When it's freshly started and idling low and cold, about every 10 seconds and sometimes not at all it'll miss a fire. It slows down for a sec and returns to normal.

Then when I'm riding, and also sporadically, if I'm too low rpm in a gear or heading up a hill in too low, it'll stumble similarly. Just 1 miss. Like red October "give me a ping Vasili, one ping only please."

The 2nd scenario makes me think carbs.
The idling scenario makes me think spark or timing.

My advance puts out a single image under a timing light. Have that merit badge.
Timing works to spec from OT to S.
Valves are right, carbs are right.

My next thought is to put my spare set of carbs on with a fresh rebuild of all the carb guts, new plugs and wires, points, condenser, coil, etc. And just start elimination of options but before I create so many backup spares, I'd love to hear if anyone has any experience with something like this.

Thank you

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:36 am
by Micha
Hello,
I don't know specifically about the problem you describe, because as mentioned it can have many reasons, but checking the carbs for tightness is simple:
During idle rpm, brush engine oil on the carb's body, on it's connection to the engine head (flange) and to the air intake (at the pipe connection).
If you hear a change in the sound of the engine you will know where to look for a leak.

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:41 am
by Daves79x
Look for a bad spark plug cap.

Dave

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:00 pm
by VintageJim
If you haven't tried a new set of spark plugs I would try that. I had a Honda 305 years ago with a similar problem and rebuilt the carbs, replaced everything in the electrical system (except the plugs because they were new) and spent over a year with no results. Then as part of my yearly maintenance I changed the plugs and the problem was gone and never returned. Vech has a post here about spark plug problems after flooding and it is a great one to read.
Jim

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:02 pm
by cwf
How about the wiring harness, any plugs/sockets and key/lights switch? I had a similar misfire that was an intermittent short to ground/earth.

Charlie.

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:55 am
by Datchew
Thx guys
I feared it would be a brute force "check everything" scenario but was hoping for a telltale sign I wasn't aware of.

I'll start with cheap and easy and go down the line.
Systematic isolation of variables.

Experience says it'll be something dumb.
I'll report back when discovered.

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:24 pm
by cwf
Or condenser, if it has one.

Re: Sporadic miss cold and hot

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:05 am
by FL54
Pure speculation on what the issue is but I would suggest one solution at a time and road test. Using the shotgun approach may solve the problem but you won’t know how it was resolved.