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I recently saw a R50S, which is part of a long held collection. I am wondering what the value range of a bike like this is. This bike has not been restored in any way, the mileage is unknown, and it is in "ok" condition. The wheels don't match and the paint is coming off. It does run. So in the event the owner does decide to part with it I am wondering what you all think, without seeing it. $15-$20 k is what he thought it might be worth if he would decide to sell. That seems quite high to me.

Bob

PS, It still is plenty cold up here.

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That is quite high for a bike

That is quite high for a bike in poor condition. But the R50S is a rarity, and brought back to good condition, is probably worth well north of $20k. The question is, how much would you have to put into it to get it into that shape? Sounds like $1-2k worth of engine work, $2-3k worth of paint and pinstriping, maybe another $1k for wheel rebuilding... and then there are all the details you won't know until you actually get into the project. Transmission? Carbs? Final drive? Frame/forks/swingarm? Chrome? Original vs. repop parts? Fasteners? Tires? It goes on and on... depends on how OCD you are.

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My aunt in the Twin Cities

My aunt in the Twin Cities says spring is coming...I guess you have that to look forward to!

As Darryl said, these are somewhat rare birds. They were a bit high stressed bikes.

An unrestored bike is a plus in my book. Knowing the owner trail would also be nice. Things like carb work, and taking care of the usual things are just the cost of owning these things and hopefully can be done by yourself. You'll still need the engine and wheel work to make it a reliable runner, but other things are only needed if you're going for a ground up restoration. Some of that stuff will happen over time no matter what bike you get.

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R50S

Thank you both for your thoughts on this. With your estimate Darryl, I would be looking at $6K minimum to make this thing safe to ride and presentable, if this owner decides to let it go. Since I am not to fussy, and prefer the natural patina maybe not much more. I would like to own a r50s, so I will keep thinking about it.

Your aunt in the twin cities may correct. It was pretty balmy up here in northern MN 10 days ago. The temp reached 50 F. No more though. It is windy and 8 F.

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R50s

Hi Kurt,
If I sent you a photo of this bike would you be willing to share any thoughts you may have about it?

Bob

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Bob - I misread your post

Bob -

I misread your post last night...I thought you had already sent the photo.

Sure, you can send it. You might want to also consider posting it here in order to get more eyes on the bike.

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r50s Photos

Here are a couple of photos. Thanks for taking a look and the feedback.

Bob

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Yup, looks like a /2. Hard

Yup, looks like a /2. Hard to tell much, but about the only thing that sticks out to me is that the mufflers are not the original type AFAIK. That tail light "coffee can" looks kind of long...were there two different styles of the tail light? Also, is that some corrosion of bare paint along the top part of the frame on the right side, and some on the side down tube? I'm also not sure about the silver air cleaner housing...I thought they were more of a matte silver finish. That one appears to have been chromed at some point. US bars and no bar end signals.

Are those clamps around the air intake tube at the inlet to the carb? I thought that the R50S would be like the R69S where no clamps are used at either end. I know the R50/2 and R60/2 uses clamps around a rubber tube to connect the air tube to the inlet to the carb. After looking at some other photos, I see where this must have been standard for the R50S.

The engine case appears to be fairly nice...not much evidence of corrosion from the pictures that I can see.

There are some nice R50S photos here:

http://www.bmbikes.co.uk/photopages/photosr50s.htm

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R50s

You are correct about the paint and corrosion. It is peeling off in places. The air cleaner is shiny, maybe polished and the front cover on the motor looks very different from the rest of the engine. Like it may have been replaced. The wheels are not matched either. I wonder if this bike was damaged at some point and refitted with these parts that stand out a little from the rest of the bike?

Anyhow, thanks for your comments Kurt. I am interested in any other feedback on this bike that any of you may have.

Bob

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The ratio of the final drive

The ratio of the final drive is R50-S specific as are the carburetor numbers. The carburetor air tubes are R50-S "only" as well. These items are expensive IF you can find them. Only 1633 of these were made 60-62.

When I tracked mine down about 7 years ago the price seemed high. I restored it but took a few liberties with things that can be reversed in half a day since I have the original wheels, tank and controls. I'm also running individual headers which if you haven't heard on "any" BMW sound great (for a BMW). The Hoskes on this bike are original and not the reproduction models. However, kudos to the reproduction manufacturer as he nailed them right down to the numbers on the mounting tabs!

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R50S

Thanks for the comments Tom.
Did I understand you to mean that the Hoske pipes on your bike are original? I suspect the pipes on the bike I pictured are after market as suggested earlier.
By the way, your bike is really nice.
Bob

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One more question

Is the front wheel on your bike stock?

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The wheel, my friend, is what

The wheel, my friend, is what you call unobtanium!!

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The Hoske pipes on my R50-S

The Hoske pipes on my R50-S are originals that were re-chromed. I don't think I'll do that again. Chroming was "by the inch".

The front brake is from a Yamaha TD2. The story was that it might have been from a Kenny Roberts bike but I'm not going to put any money on that. To even find one for sale was enough for me. It is truly like dropping an arresting hook, an anchor or hitting a wall. There is no BMW drum that will haul a bike down like this one. It is 260mm.

The guy who had it is a race bike brake builder and had the rest of the bike "out back behind the shop".

I found no evidence of an autograph or DNA that could be tested. Wink

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R50S value

I just turned down similar condition R69 -- which I consider much more desirable than an R50S -- that was offered to me for $13,700. I felt it was too high.

The R50S is just not on my "wanted" list. Too finicky.

However, I am in the market for an R69 Smile

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r50s

Thanks for the info on that Tom. I have noticed that the brakes on my bike, while as they are supposed to I think, are not disk brakes. I plan ahead.

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R50S

I did buy the R50S, and so far so good. It has cosmetic issues, but seems to have had some careful mechanical attention prior to the previous owner who did not ever ride it. The bike sounds and runs well so far. Which has not been to far for me, as the tires are to old for me to feel confident on. The guy I bought it from, in his 80s', inherited the bike from his brother, and parked it in his garage in '95.
If it was you who just brought a 1961 r50s home that had been sitting in a garage since 1995, and was maybe started every once in a while so he says, what kind of things would you look for and at prior to being able to ride comfortably?
As you can probably tell, I am neophyte vintage motorcycle collector.
And by the way very nice photo work Mr Dean.

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I'd do a complete mechanical

I'd do a complete mechanical refurb meaning all oils, greases, bearings (wheel and the steering stem conversion from ball bearings to tapered roller bearings). Also clean the carbs, set the valves, check the timing (ignition and magneto). I'd probably ride it a year or so and then consider a major teardown to include the slingers. How many miles on this bike?

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R50S

Thanks Schrader,

I will do those things, and replace the tires as well. Any other thoughts will be appreciated. Riding season is almost here in the north.

Bob

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