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Trying to decide on which one to purchase.
Any difference between the 2 ?
Which one is more desirable?
Any help would be great.
Ride safe.
Z

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Denfeld Solo Seat VS Pagusa Solo

I lifted this from the /2 Yahoo group discussion where this came up recently. I think the bottom line is there's little difference in performance between the two. Plus either one would have appeared on a /2.

Kurt in S.A.

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Mark Huggett, Huggett Tips Forum, Sept 2000:
"All pillion rubber seats were Pagusa, and that is why we only sell
Pagusa. Even when an R50 or R60 was shipped from the factory with a
"Denfeld" or "Franke" drivers saddle, only the Pagusa was offered for
the pillion. The only Denfeld products that were fitted and sold by BMW until 1969 were the dual bench seat, the rubber drivers saddle cover mounted only on the boxer Earles fork models, the pillion cushion to be fitted on the rear rack, and the foldable briefcase carrier. All other rubber
saddles were only the original Pagusa (PAtent GUmmi SAttel). Other
makes were pure license agreements. The whole issue about American customers thinking that Denfeld is original for all models is simply because the US importer Butler & Smith did a great job of importing and selling Denfeld products in the USA."

Mark Huggett, Msg 30576, Slash 2 Group, June 2004:
"The Denfeld is a licensed production of the PAGUSA saddle cover, as
was also Franke; SFS, Leper etc. PAGUSA is the original patented
rubber saddle from 1935. The name PAGUSA is derived from "PAtent GUmmi SAttel". BMW drew off saddle covers from PAGUSA; SFS; FRANKE and DENFELD. Oddly enough, SFS; FRANKE and DENFELD was specified on most export models of the R50 to R69S models as well as the R27 were as European models preferred PAGUSA . All other models also had PAGUSA. The fitted PAGUSA and Denfeld seats have identical dimensions and inner frame. Fact is today that the rubber of the PAGUSA covers are a
better quality and last longer than the Denfeld."

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Awesome article

Thank you for digging this out.
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Denfeld Solo Seat VS Pagusa Solo

I should have mentioned...I converted by R69S from a wide bench seat to a Denfeld solo seat. The bench seat was OK and provides more room to move around and also has some place to tie something down on. But I liked the look of the solo seat. I like it OK so far...I have about 1000 miles on it but nothing too long distance. I might take a long trip to Vech's next year. I also bought a rack to mount above the rear fender in order to get some tie-down space back...I haven't quite figured out how to use that area and/or what kind of saddlebags, etc., to get.

I bought both the solo seat and fender rack from Vech.

Kurt in S.A.

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Denfeld Solo Seat VS Pagusa Solo

The frames and mounting hardware are the same. I feel like the pagusa rubber lasts longer. Both names start to tear at the front after a while- although they last a long time that way.

Been all over the country on a solo seat. (I hate the dual seats- too high and they move around- like sitting on jello) A good sheepskin helps on really long rides, though.

Putting one of those covers on... it's sort of like getting beat into a gang.

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Denfeld Solo Seat VS Pagusa Solo

"schrader7032" wrote:

I lifted this from the /2 Yahoo group discussion where this came up recently....

I collected and posted those on the /2 list in the last couple of years on the solo saddle. The collection also has this Huggett item on the bench seat:

Bench Seats
Mark Huggett, /2 List, 8 May 2002

BMW had two bench seats namely narrow and wide. Check in your old BMW parts catalogues and you will find three part numbers namely:

52 53 9 034 021 Narrow bench seat R26; R27; R50 - R69S
52 53 9 034 020 Wide bench seat (US) R50 - R69S
52 51 7 002 160 Narrow bench seat with attachment parts R50 - R69S.
This is the same 52 53 9 034 021 plus additional mounting hardware.

BMW had two suppliers namely Denfeld and Schorsch Meier. BMW used the same part number for corresponding products from both suppliers.

During the life span of these saddles, the production also underwent changes. Originally Denfeld used crushed spring for their bench seats. They then went to a rubber moulded support instead of the crushed spring probably due to cost reasons which was, as you rightly mentioned, supported by two coil compression springs on either side.

The company Denfeld filed for bankruptcy in the late 1970's and what was left over as well as the name Denfeld was bought by the company "Schwartz". The original toolings, drawings and moulds for the Denfeld bench were no longer around and so "Schwartz" had to start from scratch. Due to the investment costs, Schwartz went back to the crushed spring concept. He also made new jigs for the frame which are not perfect, and that is why the replacement Denfeld bench seat does not fit the original contours of the BMW, eg. the space between the rear fender and the rear of the saddle is about 4,5 to 5cm whereas the original Denfeld and Schorsch Meier bench had an all around snug fit.

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Denfeld Solo Seat VS Pagusa Solo

"Allan.Atherton" wrote:

I collected and posted those on the /2 list in the last couple of years on the solo saddle.

Allan -

Sorry...I meant to include you as having been the source for the /2 posting. I knew you had gotten it from Mark's forum.

Kurt in S.A.

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