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I am close to buying a pristine 1964 Grenada red R50/2 that lacks saddle bags. I have seen enduro style bags on similar bikes but none that are available. I think the enduro style suits the design better than the suitcase… Suggestions anyone?

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See if you find anything that

See if you find anything that suits your fancy here:

http://w6rec.com/history-of-saddle-bags/

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Choice of bags

The Wixoms, originally available in black or white, look good and are reasonably sturdy. Good originals show up from time to time on ebay. In terms of styling, I think the Enduros look even better than the Wixoms, but the ones that were available when the bikes were new were flimsy. You can see both of these in the link Kurt supplied.

The currently made "Enduro-style" versions --made by Oldtimer-- look sensational but are seriously expensive--around $900 with paint, lights and mounting hardware.

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Thanks. Bike first……

Thanks. Bike first……

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These look terrific and, as

These look terrific and, as you say, expensive, but…

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I may be alone

I may be alone on this one but for me it's really no question. The Craven luggage made in Britain is IMO not only the best looking, but also the most functional.

The flimsy lids and bazaar shape of the Enduros, while streamlined, lack the simplicity of a standard briefcase design, have low volume and aren't easily loaded. The mounting brackets are ugly and look absurd without the bags mounted.

If you're getting bags for aesthetics only, then just pick whichever you fancy, if however you're planning to use them, it's gotta be Craven.

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Here's your

Here's your "goal":

http://bmwdean.com/scarlett.htm

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I have a pair of original

I have a pair of original Enduros. They are in excellent condition but even new (1969) they were crude and rough.
I like them because they are original or at least original after-market accessories.

The reproductions are built much, much better and the hanging hardware is excellent. Some folks have bought the hanging/attachement hardware only to use with the original bags, that's how good the new stuff is.

At $900.00 for the brand-new reproductions... not really much in comparison to what I'm seeing originals going for, $1500 to $2500.00 on-line. And the sellers are getting their asking prices if in decent shape. Crazy.

You can get a lot of stuff in the Enduros and the look is ridiculously modernistic nostalgic. Certainly unique.

So silly looking:

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Cravens

I can't argue with your preference for Cravens. Looking just at the handsome cases by themselves, they are a better practical design, no argument. When mounted, however, they are so oversized and placed so far back on the frame, they are out of balance with the rest of the bike. To my eye, they destroy the lines and just look awkward.

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High remarks for the products

High remarks for the products coming out of http://oldtimers.si/en/bags-enduro-saddle-bags-ready-for-bmw-r26-r27-r50...

I bought a set and I am impressed.

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Enduro Bags

I have a set of the original Enduro bags for my /2. I had to restore them and replace the original mounts but they look great and are very practical.

Here is the link to my restoration of the bags.

http://www.vintagebmw.org/v7/node/13917

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How was the purchase

Scottie,

I am very tempted by the Oldtimer bags. How did the purchase go for you? Were they easy to order and pay for? How long did the delivery take?

Jon

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Oldtimer Purchase

Hi Jon

I purchased a pair of these for my 68 R60/2.

Delivery took about 3 weeks to New Zealand. I bought them unpainted. They are very nice. I had to modify the lower mounting brackets slightly but it was not a big deal.

The BMW logos that come with them are just stickers so I bought some "real" ones. The lamps that come with them are quite plasticky so I bought some hellas from ebay.

Now I just need to get them painted.

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In my opinion...

...the only really usable bags are Cravens, but the Craven mounting system places these too far back on the motorcycle? You can make your own mounts to place the bags more forward, or if you can find them, mount the Cravens on Denfeld mounts, as shown here...

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sadlebags

Im sure the Craven saddlebags are original and a fine product. The problem I have with them is .... I just don't like the look of the suitcase style bag. The Enduro's fit the lines of the old /2's so much better IMHO. In regards to use, I don't have any issue loading the bags up for a long trip.

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Check with Benchmark Works

Check with Benchmark Works for the new Enduros, they come with mounts and look good. I think they get them from Old timers.

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Only unpainted

As far as I can tell, Benchmark offers only the unpainted version of the Oldtimer bags. If he offered the painted ones, I would definitely be interested.

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The Benchmark Enduros capture

The Benchmark Enduros capture the vintage look even as the Craven appear to have an upper hand with respect to quality and practicality. I am leaning toward unpainted Benchmark Enduros to go with my nearly-acquired Grenada red R50/2 in large measure because of their shape. The worst outcome, that I don't like them for one reason or another, allows me to get Cravens…… Thank you, all for your advice and info!

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Does anyone with Benchmark/

Does anyone with Benchmark/ Old-timer bags have photos of the bike without the bags mounted? What's involved in mounting/ removing the bags? Can they be 'popped' on and off with the same ease as modern luggage?

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Have a look through this

Have a look through this lengthy thread...your question might be answered here:

http://vintagebmw.org/v7/node/11921

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Here is my R60/2 with the

Here is my R60/2 with the mounts but no bags.

I will probably paint the mounts black.

Cheers

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Anyone have suggestions for

Anyone have suggestions for taking a perfectly good pair of Craven Golden Arrow panniers (maybe even a new set) and painting them Grenada red?

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Anyone know how I can contact

Anyone know how I can contact Jeff Dean about his red /60 red Cravens saddlebags?

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Jeff is a member of this

Jeff is a member of this club. You can send him a message. His profile shows that his email is:

jeff@bmwdean.com

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Oldtimer versus original Enduro

After long deliberation, I just ordered a set of Oldtimer bags for my R69S. With shipping and bank fee, the cost was a bit over $1000. This morning, I noticed this ebay listing for a decent but not outstanding set of originals.

I think I made the right decision.

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Holy Cow. If that guy get

Holy Cow. If that guy get $2000.00 for those mine must be worth $3000.00. Crazy.

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bags

My guess is they will be on eBay for a long long time at that price. bobsbmw too. Wow. Ridiculous

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No bids

Apparently Max overreached by asking two grand for those original Enduro bags. The auction ended with no bids.

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I believe that was "Bob's

I believe that was "Bob's BMW" that was selling those bags.
You never know when an auction ends. Someone could have made an offer outside of fleabay? Or the fact that they had it for auction is just a way of letting folks know they are advertising them and have a vintage pair in stock. Someone that really wants them may pay up for them, ya never know.

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A Mint Set

A mint set of the original enduros might be worth what a new repro set costs, but no more. And if the latches and hardware need work (they usually do), then less. Then you still have 50 year-old bags that leak and do not look as good or function as well as the repros. But that's just me.

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Stand corrected...

Yes, it was Bob's, not Max. East of the Mississippi, everything melds together for us left-coasters.

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Likewise

Likewise, Jon!!

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