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I have a 1969 R60/2 and I just rewired the whole light housing. What is the function of of the push bottom on the left side of the handle bars. The right switch is the blinkers and horn, the left switch is the hi and low beam when I push the left button the lights dim. Is that normal or is that supposed to flash the hi beam light.

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The button is supposed to be

The button is supposed to be a headlight flasher. I haven't used it so I don't really know what the result would be. But it would seem that with the switch in low beam position, pushing the button would then give you high beam. If already in high beam, I wouldn't think it would do anything.

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Left side handlebar switch

Left side handlebar switch is for high/low and horn

I dont think the /2's ever had a headlight flasher
I wired my right hand switch (blinker switch) for the r/l blinkers and also for the horn when it is pushed in

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I was just repeating what was

I was just repeating what was in the rider's manual...page 17:

http://bmwdean.com/1966-owners-manual.htm

Not sure if it makes a difference if it's the batwing switches or if the left side is the chrome body switch.

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Kurt

It is not correct
Page 16
# 8 right switch shows only blinkers (other diagrams also show ground for the horn) and other for high beam flash which is not correct for the /2's

#11 shows high/low beam and flasher for headlight
Left switch has 4 wires
1st power (on if switch in and turned right)
2nd low beam bulb
3rd high beam

4th ground to to horn (anytime switch is pushed down)

Your 4th wire from the left switch should be connected to the HO contact on the switch board to complete the the path to the horn which is hot anytime the key is in

Anthony fish

You did everything correct but their are 3 different diagrams that all have errors in them

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switch

I just ordered a new switch for my Hella turn signals. The guy Im buying the switch from said he could wire the extra push button as a kill switch. I though that was an excellent idea.

wa1nca ...... are you saying you wire both push buttons for the horn, left and right side?

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Horn

See attachment by Doug Rinckes

Yes both switches blow the horn
Never thought to wire it as a kill switch
Just connect the extra wire to HO terminal on the switch board

#1 diagram shows
left switch wired correctly
right switch is wrong (also the flasher is not wired correctly)

#2 diagram shows
left switch is wrong (this is were Kurt noted that it may be for a headlight flasher and Anthony has his wired)
right switch is correct for the blinkers and horn (also the flasher is wired ok)

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I'm pretty much the dunce

I'm pretty much the dunce when it comes to DC wiring. I would have imagined that most owners would look at the functionality description in the front of the manual to figure out what does what. But if you're rewiring, you need to go to the diagrams.

I'm looking at Ver 2.0 of the Rinckes book. There are both level and swivel switches...but they seem to suggest the same functionality...looks the only difference is the wiring colors used. It says that the left switch is "highbeam and horn" while the right switch is "indicator and headlight flasher".

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The way I have it now is that

The way I have it now is that the right push button sounds the horn and activates blinkers. The left flip switch is hi and low beam headlight. When I push the left button all lights dim. I looked at the push butto mechanism and it seems it has a contact that grounds one of the terminals. Should it ground the terminal or is it a defective switch. I have not tried the push button with the engine started so maybe grounding the terminal acts as a kill switch. Hummm?

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Oh by the way I wired it

Oh by the way I wired it according to a diagram found in a restoration book.

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I think I just figured it

I think I just figured it out, I have to make the left push button the hi beam flasher and since the left switch now completes a ground that should be the horn.
I'll let you know how it turns out

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Quote: a diagram found in a

Quote:

a diagram found in a restoration book

Which diagram in which book?

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Lets start from the begining

Anthony fish wrote:

I have a 1969 R60/2 and I just rewired the whole light housing. What is the function of of the push bottom on the left side of the handle bars. The right switch is the blinkers and horn, the left switch is the hi and low beam when I push the left button the lights dim. Is that normal or is that supposed to flash the hi beam light.

No it should not dim the lights
It should flash the high beam when the key is pushed in any position

I want to back up as I stated my left switch ( turtle switch) when pushed in sounds the horn
It does and now I realize I have the wrong switch (Maybe a /5 or later) as mine has 5 wires

Also
version 1 of Dougs excellent text notes in the #2 diagram states the left switch is Dimmer and Horn
It should state the left switch is Dimmer and headlight (flasher)
the right switch is noted Blinker and Headlight
It should be Blinker and Horn
Kurt not sure if that was corrected in version #2

To Skychs
You have the older Crome left hand switch like most then the button is used for the horn as in diagram #1 and you can wire your new blinker switch for the horn or to kill the magneto as the 4th wire goes to ground via the handlebars
I may do this as I was riding down a mountain (Mt Equinox Vermont) for 3.5 miles in 1st gear and thought if my brakes overheated I may need to kill the engine
Would be faster to push the right hand switch in than to remove the key

To Anthony
Assuming you have the correct switch
The yellow wire should go the high beam bulb
The white wire should go to the the low beam side
The yellow/white wire should go to terminal 56 on the switch board
And the green wire should go to 15/54 on the switch board

keep us posted

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Version 2 for lever switches

Version 2 for lever switches says (and the wiring seems to agree):

Left -- highbeam and horn switches
Right -- indicator and headlight flasher switches

For the swivel switches says (however the wiring suggests that the left switch really controls the horn):

Left -- highbeam and headlight flasher switches
Right -- indicator and horn switches

So, the functions are different per the table but the wiring appears identical except for there are wire color changes.

I might have to call Vech tomorrow to see what he has to say. I bought Ver 2 from Vech. Wow, this is messed up!

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LOL

Thanks
So version 1 and version 2 both have errors
Glad we are not trying fix the space shuttle

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I'm lost, but...

I agree that a kill switch is a handy thing to have. Vech provided me with a new harness that was set up that way.

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Barrington Motor Works

Barrington Motor Works

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That's funny, I was also

That's funny, I was also going to give him a call. He is currently rebuilding my wheels

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I will have to check the

I will have to check the wiring colors. I do know the left switch I have is a chrome housing and if it is working correctly when the button is pushed it grounds one of the terminals.

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Here we go again

The wire color I gave in my last post are for the newer turtle switch

If you have the chrome switch then find the wire that goes to ground when the switch is pushed in
that wire should be connected to the HO terminal on the switch board to ground the horn

I thought you must have the turtle switch because your bike is a 1969 and Looked at a 1967 operator manual which shows like Kurt said the
the newer switch that is a dimmer and flasher for the headlight

Maybe your left hand perch was changed at some point that mounts the chrome switch

Help

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New stle left hand switch

schrader7032 wrote:

The button is supposed to be a headlight flasher. I haven't used it so I don't really know what the result would be. But it would seem that with the switch in low beam position, pushing the button would then give you high beam. If already in high beam, I wouldn't think it would do anything.

Yes
Also it is wired so that anytime the key pushed in it will flash the headlight

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I talked with Richard at

I talked with Richard at Benchmark Works. He's not aware of an errata sheet for Ver 2.0 of the Rinckes book. He did agree that the left switch, either lever or swivel, can only be highbeam and horn. This takes 4 wires...power in, two wires to the high and low beams, and one wire for the horn. Now if there were 5 wires to this switch, that could be the opportunity to add an additional function. But Richard wasn't aware of that being used extensively on the /2s.

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Left hand switch

Will update soon

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Wiring Diagram

Attached is the wiring diagram that was used. this one seemed closest to the components found on my bike and everything seems to work other than the headlight flashing.
the #1 switch represents the black switch on the right and the #5 is the chrome switch.
They both have 4 wires

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Wiring Diagram

Sorry,
The diagram is from the Clymer manual NOT Barrington

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Switchs

Wow
After all this just read the Barrington Restoration and Service manual which documents that bmw used 3 different version of the handle bar switches
Very well done !

So if you have the original (chrome switch on left side is function is high/low and horn
When they added the left side new version switch it then became high/low and will flash the headlight beam when the key is down any position
(if the high beam is allready on their would be no change)
When they made the change on the left hand switch (turtle style) at the same time they added the new style right hand switch to control the blinkers and to sound the horn

I now now why when Anothony said when he pushed the left side button (chrome switch) then his lights would dim
It is because he had the horn wire connected to the power wire for the flasher unit as in diagram # 2 for the newer switch shorting out the power
In the end you must have removed that wire and connected it to the H terminal on the switch board to ground the horn like diagram # 1 shows for the original chrome switch and now all is good
You can never have a headlight flasher if you have the chrome switch

So if you have the original chrome left hand switch you can wire both buttons to sound the horn or as skychs says one can be wired for a kill switch I like that idear!!

Thanks to the barrington book

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That's exactly what I have

That's exactly what I have done, wired the pusher on the left to also sound the horn. My understanding is that the updated switch that flashes the hi beams is pretty rare.

I could have just dug into the Barrington book, but that would have been to easy. And would have missed all this conversation. Lol

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kill switch

Ok ....
Lets assume (because I don't have all the new parts yet) I want to wire the right side push button as a kill switch. How/where would you connect the 4th wire from the push button to be able to kill the magnito? And .... if you pushed then released the button would it start back up if you are still rolling? I hope all that made sense. Obviously there are no wiring diagrams that show how to do it.
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Kill switch

Connect it to the wire to the magneto on the switch board #2 terminal
It should be a small brown wire with a blank strip next to the terminal that has the ground wire (large Brown) on it

The engine would restart if the engine is still turning when you release the button
If the engine has stopped and your still moving you can bump start it in 3rd gear

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When all else fails read the Book !!

Anthony fish wrote:

That's exactly what I have done, wired the pusher on the left to also sound the horn. My understanding is that the updated switch that flashes the hi beams is pretty rare.

I could have just dug into the Barrington book, but that would have been to easy. And would have missed all this conversation. Lol

Never to late to learn something new
( the hard way)

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