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A local seller has a 61 R60/2 for sale as a project. I have been reading here that the later years are considered to be better than the early years. Can anyone give me a brief summary of what makes a 1961 less desirable than a later bike? The bike that I am looking at is a project and I would plan to rebuild almost everything.

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Doc, as you can see there are

Doc, as you can see there are all ages and colors of these old Beemers here. If the price is right and you like it why not just buy it.
The basic engine design/transmission/frame are all the same around this time frame. So my question is why dont you have it in your shop.
It couldnt have any more problems than say the " 1923-1969". I dont care to much about what other people think about what I buy anyway.

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It's true that basically all

It's true that basically all the machines are the same, although I'd say the 1955-1959 bikes are probably not quite as good as the 1960-1969 bikes. Enough changes were made by BMW to begin using the "/2" moniker so that suggests there was noticeable improvements. Throughout the /2 period, there were running changes that included frame strengthening, maybe changes to electrics, etc. It stands to reason that the later the model, the more the chance that all of the running changes will have been included. Roland Slabon's book, along with others, were able to get the VIN numbers that highlight when various changes were made. There was the "butterhead" time period which I believe is around 1965-1966 when the metal finishing processes were not carefully controlled and the possibility exists that the heads were "softer" and thus dimensional changes occurred slowly over time. Sometimes the bikes never exhibit any problems, sometimes they do. There are fixes for this, primarily that is to install a head from a later model.

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Thanks for the information,

Thanks for the information, the bike is listed as a 61 R60/2 but the books say that the /2 started in 1962. Being new to the old BMW world I am being overly cautious. However, I agree that it probably does not matter. They are all old bikes. The price is $2,500 and I guess that I can't go to far wrong.

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I think /2 is something that

I think /2 is something that has been used for years for this type of bike. $2500 dont sound to bad. Things can add up fast, block ( check), 1 frame (check) 1 trans (check) heads,2 (check), jugs 2(check), 2 carbs (check),2 pistons and rods (check), 1 crank/cam shaft (check) 2 wheels (check) and of course all the other bits.
My $2500 (shop corner find) and $2900 later.

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The 1961 models were the

The 1961 models were the first /2 designated series. These typically would have been bikes built in late 1960 for the 1961 model year. Bikes built up to say September 1960 would have been considered previous to the official /2 designation.

$2500 is a very low price for a running R60/2. You said it was a project, so maybe there's a lot of work still to be completed. The usual thinking is that spend nearer to $10K for a decent runner and begin enjoying the bike right away. Spend $2K on the original purchase and the next few years and $5-7K parts/labor (maybe less) into it to get it to a dependable bike....but you aren't riding it during that time.

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The bike is not running at

The bike is not running at this point. The owner claims that it was running when parked, but that means nothing. At the least, the slingers will need cleaning and that can lead to a lot more engine work. I am also looking at a nice running 63 for $7,000. That bike has no records, so I would do the slingers on that one as well. I did start looking up prices for parts and I am starting to feel that $2,500 is too high for the project bike. The running 63 is not available just yet but it would probably be worth the wait. Thanks for the input.

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How many miles on the '63?

How many miles on the '63? When I bought my '68 R69S, it had about 28K miles. The mileage of 30-35K was something I had come to realize might suggest having the slingers looked at. I decided to ride the bike for about 1K miles to just get a feel for it and to see what else needed work. Then I took it down and did a mechanical restoration plus had the top and bottom end taken care of. Yup, the slingers were 3/4 full. So, that might be an option...I'd set aside $2-3K for an engine rebuild, depending on how much you end up doing.

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The 63 shows 50,000 miles. It

The 63 shows 50,000 miles. It could have had the slingers cleaned at some point, but there are no records. From what I have read, bad slingers don't give you a lot of warning when they cause crank damage.If I do get that bike, I don't plan on riding it until I can be sure what the internals look like. I don't usually sell motorcycles once I get them and a fresh engine will let me enjoy it for as long as I want. I am an old guy with ten other motorcycles that I ride regularly so the new one should last a while.

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