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tbounds02
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what makes this bike so expensive in the shape it's in?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222318051367?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPage...

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Good question
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well that makes even less

well that makes even less sense , a fully restored on sells and bonhams auction for half of what this basket case sold for?

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Fake motorcycle, restamped

Fake motorcycle, restamped case, reproduction incorrect restamped head plate, anything associated with this "prominent private collector" will likely have a significant cardboard content...the bid price does really reflect value as determined by knowledgable bidders, i.e., no red hot deals at that type of auction?

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fake?

are you saying the Bonham bike is fake or the ebay bike?

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The e-Bay bike looks like a

The e-Bay bike looks like a for-real triple match bike.

R68's comments might be a bit strong, but the Bonham's bike definitely has an incorrectly reproduced head badge and I agree that the engine has been re-stamped, so I would categorize it as a "bitsa".

I'm pretty sure I saw the Bohham's R5 offered for sale at Fehrenbach's Veterama display some years ago. If it is the same bike I am thinking of, there there are a lot of repop parts on it......not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make it less rare. It's sort of like buying a pedigreed dog at the mall pet shop.

The e-Bay bike sold for quite a bit more than I thought it would (25k), but the new owner has a solid base for a great (and expensive), rare project.

Bruce

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Also, the Bonham's auction

Also, the Bonham's auction was in February of 2010, just a couple months after their auction at the BMW Museum (11/2009), which I feel was when the taps really opened on prices for old BMWs. Now it is 7 years later, and prices have gone up quite spectacularly. If beautiful R68s now fetch $60k, as two of them did last year, the owner of this R5 has a lot of "headroom" to restore his bike and make a profit, if he is so inclined, which is often not the case with fully restored bikes.

This is also not just a "triple match", but really, a quintuple match, what with the heads having the correct numbers in them, too. *Very* unusual.

And, while the bike is not pretty, it has most if not all of the 1936 model year-only features, like the "elephant ear" air intakes and the adjustable fork damping. There were only 1500 of these made, so they are nearly as rare as the R68, just from a numbers perspective.

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cylinders

From fotos looks incorrect cylinders,r51 not r5.
R5 seria one they got different cyinders.

R5 seria 2 (engine case 6 digit,different gearbox) have same cylinders as r51.

Also that ebay advert i cant see very well tinware ,on mudguards and petroltank i cant see a singel dent after 70years...i doNt wanna jugde it but looks replika tinware from fotos

First foto:r5 seria one 8136
Second:seria 2 A.F.N sell

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Wow, you have a good eye!

Wow, you have a good eye! Actually, the cylinder configuration changed around serial number 8500, in mid 1936. Also, the head configuration, longer head bolt studs, and possible rocker support casting change at about the same time. We are REALLY out in the land of esoterica now!

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Hello The seria 1 from 1936

Hello

The seria 1 from 1936 had both cilinders, the first one with the 5 coolribs from enginenr. 8001 till 8500 and the cilinder with the 6 coolribs from enginenr. 8501 till 9501 and enginenr. 500001 till 502786.

The r51 also had these cilinders with the 6 coolribs but they had extra holes for oil lubrication.

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Left cilinder r51 right

Left cilinder r51 right cilinder r5

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