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Gas spills and age damaged Zenaida´s paint specially the tank.

The fuel petcock got clogged and decided to take advantage of this and stripped the paint off the tank.

I went to the local radiator shop and dipped the tank in acid.

The tank had a very hard life, you can see lead patches all over it.

It needs a lot of work.

I´ll get there.

Brass was used too at some point. Bondo is a wonderful thing!

With some extra time in between projects I decided to take the fenders off too.

The fenders don´t look good either.

And yes, I striped the paint too. The problem is that I´m working on three bikes at the same time. Fortunately one of them needs paint too.

I never liked the looks of the triple clamp! I think I will clean it, retouch it or repaint it.

The question is, should I continue and repaint the frame. It still has the original paint, not like the tank and fenders. It looks fine.

What do you think?

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My $.02

When it comes to original paint guys, it's either a complete original paint bike or it isn't. While I'd probably forgive a repainted small part, if the tank and tins have been painted, a frame ain't gonna make a difference in terms of desirability. At the point you're at, I'd just go whole hog and do the whole bike. Otherwise the nicks and bruises on your frame will start to stand out against your pretty new tank and fenders. That said, once you've torn the bike down to that point, you're going to start feeling obligated to do "this and that" and before you know it your hardware's headed off to the cad plating guy, you're installing a new harness and the full nut and bolt is underway.. So if you don't wanna go down that road I'd "slow your roll" before the full resto bug takes over.

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The tins on my R25/2 were

The tins on my R25/2 were repainted by the previous owner, something I wish I could have avoided. But the frame is still original paint as far as I know. I like the fact that something on the bike is still original. And it really doesn't detract from the overall look IMO.

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Do what works for you

If every old BMW ever made was in perfect original condition, with low miles, then they would not be that desirable - you know supply and demand.

If someone has such a bike and the enjoyment of owning it is thinking about how much it is worth - then they should do what works for them.

So lots of different ways to skin a cat.

My take is that there is room for lots of different takes on owning a bike - maybe original, maybe restored, maybe just use it, maybe customise it, maybe collect one of every colour, maybe something else.

I think all in all most of the time we just love the old bikes in our own way.

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There is no rule.

Unless you are aiming at a concours bike, just relax and do as you please. My '67 has been in the family since new. Ten years ago, it was authentically "original." Since then, I've been riding it a lot more, and I refurbish bits as they start looking shabby. The front fender got crunched, so I had it repaired and repainted. Similarly, the back portion of the rear fender developed a hairline crack near the hinge, so I fixed it and had it repainted. Same with the headlight shell. So now, the tank, frame, and most of the rear fender are original and everything else is adulterated. I have no idea how my fixes have affected the "value," and I don't really care.

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Retouch

I decided I´ll only repair and repaint the fenders and tank. Someone did work on them and the rust is getting into the front fender.
My rear fender also developed a crack line just beneath the stay and run horizontally.
The frame has the original paint and is in great shape it will need a lot of elbow grease to bring it back to life.
Any paint treatment suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Will send pictures of the rust and previous repairs after I finish sandblasting the fenders.

Saludos

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3M Rubbing Compound

I had a vintage car painted a couple of years ago and used 3M machine polish, number 3, for the final buffing. It's a very mild abrasive that also worked wonders in restoring the gloss to my /2 frame. The full name is "3M 06068 Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish." Expensive, but well worth it. Follow up with some good Meguiar's carnauba wax.

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Fenders in bad shape.

This is what I found beneath the paint and bondo. I think this was a previous accident.

The fenders have lots of holes drilled all over, I´ll filled them up with copper.

The inside will need work too.

I painted the bottom of the tank to test the paint booth and air gun. I´ll wait for the fenders and light bucket to be ready to paint all parts at the same part.

I think I´m still inside the minor repair threshold.

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Just a little more..

M I in too deep?

Have you heard, one more bolt, and that is it...

I guess I´ll fit the frame in the sandblasting cabinet and continue with the project.

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Problems with the strut mount, need advice.

I follow Duane Ausherman instructions to disassemble the shock absorbers.
http://www.w6rec.com/duane/bmw/shock/index.htm
I visited my friend and MB mechanic Dr. Leo for beer and assistance.

If you follow Duane´s link you will be able to read detailed and well written instructions.

I cant unscrew the shock from the mount. It just turns and turns.

I tried heat but nothing.

Any suggestions I don´t want to destroy the strut.

Thanks

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No suggestions about the shock, but....

I'll be glad to take that 220S off your hands. It will be comfortable alongside my 180a, and then you'll have more room to work on your BMW.

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Sandblasting vs acid

Sandblasting vs acid dipping.
Before sandblasting the frame I´ll remove as much paint with the striper as possible. I wont dip the frame in acid for the obvious reasons.

Paint bubbles after applying the remover.

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Frame numbers

I found some numbers on the frame. How can I know what they mean?

I´m slowly striping the paint off the frame. I was using aircraft paint remover outside, but is getting cold and I´ll move the frame indoors and use the liquid kind.

I finally found a place that will repair or refurbish the shock cartridges, will send a full report on this latter.

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Crack and scorpion

While removing the paint before the soda blasting I found what I thought was an old paint crack.

The crack is deeper then expected.

Is just in front of the stay for the center stand.Years of use and vibration crack the frame in half.

I´m soda blasting the frame at the museum, and in this parts of Texas, always check your footwear, tools and containers for critters.

I´ll remove or cut the stay first and then I will hot weld the tube. Any suggestions?

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welding the frame

I have done some homework on frame welding this vintage of frame (Welding tips and tricks.com).

So far I have purchased some ER70 S2 filler rods and plan to weld mine using TIG with Argon shielding.

Obviously getting it clean and trying to clean in the inside of that tube as much as feasible on either side - probably a good idea -

I am sure there is lots more to add but your welder will know all that stuff.

Mal

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Real or not?

This is the next job I will tackle. Remove both stops or stays (how are they called?), strengthen the broken frame and reinstall the "triangles".

I think this one is original.

This was a latter replacement.

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When in doubt..

The good thing of having access to a shop next to a museum is that when in doubt you can always check the real thing.

My frame needs a lot of work.

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Thanks for writing and sorry for answering so late.

miller6997 wrote:

I'll be glad to take that 220S off your hands. It will be comfortable alongside my 180a, and then you'll have more room to work on your BMW.

Jon I was working at Dr. Leo MB´s shop, he owns several W180. I´ll post more pictures on my next visit. I´m helping Leo work on his beautiful R65LS.

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Frame repair question

I´m trying to decide if to use oxy-fuel gas welding technique or TIG.
I´m inkling towards TIG since is quicker and has better penetration.
Any suggestions?

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Welding update.

I just got the gearbox back from Chris King, he put in the later /5 shift fork adjuster, 3rd gear was slipping and I finally fix the crack and welded a patch over an orifice I found under the paint.

I need to strip the paint out of the front fork and the driveshaft. First I need to disassemble both before sandblasting and paint.

Will I need any special tools for the castle nut?

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Castle nut

San,

You and I are at the same point in our restoration so it looks!! My castle nut would not budge because it was rusted. I put PB blaster in there and used a castle nut wrench I purchased from BenchMarkWorks and it came right off. I bought a cheap $10 wrench on eBay and it did not fit right. I suggest buying the one from benchmarkworks!

Hope that helps!!

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I can´t unscrew the shock.

I cant unscrew the shock from the mount. It just turns and turns.

I tried heat but nothing.

Any suggestions I don´t want to destroy the strut.

Thanks

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It's Probably Stripped

The threads are probably stripped. I have one like that that just would not come - never did get it. You could cut the lower off, but a used damper is probably not worth saving. I ended up with all-new dampers and a lower shock eye to replace the stripped unit.

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Lower shock eye

My plan is to service the dampers, but I more important I want to save the original shock eye.

Any suggestions?

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Frame

My good friend Jim cabinet blasted the frame. (Text belongs to him). Just a few spots remain. A little more cabinet time will finish the cleaning process. Epoxy prime next!

This tab holds the side left side of rear fender. More cabinet time needed on this spot. Can you see the small crack in the deep pocket of the previous repair?

The welder missed. See weld bead laid down nicely on tube. But, tube and foot peg mount casting not firmly joined to tube by weld along backside.

This view better shows the area to be reinforced.

More cleaning reveals more cracks. Jim will help me weld them all.
(Actually, we both admire the way Zanieda has been saved again and again.)

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Pics Do Not Show

I can't see any of the pics you posted. But glad to hear an update! Further info on your shock problem - I was removing a rear cartridge and discovered that the pressed-together section of the cartridge near the bottom was turning instead of the whole cartridge. I could see this on the rear one since the lower shock eye is much shorter than the front. I was able to cut off the damper and grasp the remaining piece with the threads and unscrew it. This is likely what you have going on with the front one and the same for the one I have that I thought was stripped. Haven't figured a way to get it out yet, but I'm sure it can be done.

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Pictures

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Further info on your shock problem ........
Dave

Thanks Dave I'll look into it.

Can you see the rest of the pictures? I'll check the sharing status on the album.

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Pictures from previous post

Frame

Rear Fender holder

Foot peg mount 1

Foot peg mount 2

Fender mount 2

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I Still Can't

Sorry, I still can't see the pics.

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Nor I...

Your pictures are just not coming through. I use the 'Insert image' tab that you see at the far left of the text box, just under the Comment: label.It always seems to work for me.

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I can see clearly now 5 pictures... I could not in the earlier post. This is on my Samsung smartphone, could not check on my desktop PC yet.

Best regards,
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Frame neck dent.

I notice a dent in the frame neck, you think this will interfere with the fork?

Should I fix it, it has never bother me in the past.

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Franken-Fenders, help.

After Jim worked with the fenders in the blasting cabinet we discover some led, copper and metal patches.
As I mentioned before poor Zenaida had a hard life.

Bondo is a magic think, isn´t it?

The hole is 3/8 thick, the patch makes the fender super heavy.

The welder and body worker did a great job hiding this.

The front fender is to damaged to save, and rear fender lost it´s shape.

I decided to replace them instead of bondo my way out of it.

Do you have an extra set? Please help me.

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Franken-Fenders, help.

After Jim worked with the fenders in the blasting cabinet we discover some led, copper and metal patches.
As I mentioned before poor Zenaida had a hard life.

Bondo is a magic think, isn´t it?

The hole is 3/8 thick, the patch makes the fender super heavy.

The welder and body-worker did a great job hiding this.

The front fender is too damaged to save, and rear fender lost it´s shape.

I decided to replace them instead of bondo my way out of it.

Do you have an extra set? Please help me.

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Look what I found

san-arthur wrote:

This was a latter replacement.

I found a bolt welded in the center stand stay....

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Rear fender tab and foot peg mount

The rear fender tabs and the foot peg mount have been welded.

A small progress!!!

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Tank

The gas tank is ready for painting.

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Franken-Fenders.

I think my fenders are beyond repair. I you have a better set, please PM me.

They have several layers of metal patches, in some places 3/8 thick.

Lead, copper and bondo was used to cover the metal patches.

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I agree

I would give up on those fenders. Decent ones show up on eBay fairly often. If you're patient, they sometimes sell for reasonable prices.

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/2 fenders
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Primer

Two coats of “Direct to Metal” epoxy primer on head light bucket, tail light, center stand, fork uppers and two rear fender braces.

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Replica fenders

http://phillittleracing.com/motorcycle/bmw-slash-two-replica-fenders

What do you think about replica fenders?

Have you use this solution?

Please let me hear what yiou think.

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I would prefer original

A quick search of eBay turned up a dozen /2 original metal fenders, with a range of prices and conditions. As long as OEM pieces are available, I would not see any reason to opt for fiberglass reproductions. On the other hand, what an owner does with a bike is entirely a personal choice. This is a hobby, not a religion.

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Lead is toxic.


The primer reveals defects. This is an undiscovered crack. Is this area heavily stressed? We´ll drill the crack and weld it. (I found crack on other side and welded it. Looks lumpy. Thin metal.)
I don’t why the tube would bulge outward.
Probably weight of fender contributed to crack. Also, entire weight of rear of bike is supported by the rear shocks. And, those frame mounted tubes contain the rear suspension/shocks.


The rear fender and rear fender flap are in better condition than the front fender. But, this does not mean the rear fender/ flap are in good condition. I have reconsidered their repair. I am afraid to work with the lead. Lead is toxic. The lead will interfere with welding. (Lead melts at a much lower temperature than steel.). I think I would be required to melt the lead off before welding. In addition to toxic fumes, we do not know what damage is already under the lead.


Of the two existing fenders, the front fender is in the worst condition. It is cracked. Many previous welds and heavy with lead.


One leg of your centerstand has a plate on the bottom. The other leg has just open tubing.
I will make small (1/8” thick plate) to fit. The plate will curve and match the other side.

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Fiber

I will for it, and report.

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More repairs


Jim could put a hole at the top of the crack.


The crack disappears under the metal fender mounting bracket! I will just weld it and hope for the best.


Center stand is ready too, thanks to Jim.


Next is to extract the lock, I lost the key and will install a new one.

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Lost Key

Next is to extract the lock, I lost the key and will install a new one.

PS Shoes need shine desperately....

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Before and after

Before and after picture of the center stand.

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The lasts parts

These are the last few few parts going to be painted.

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