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Anyone ever have to make gears for their ride? They don't seem to follow conventional standards for metric MODULE sizes. My first gear is in rough shape. It's been MIG welded, has awful porosity, and wasn't re-hardened. Anyways, it will cost just as much to fix this mess as to make a new one so I figure I'd try and do that. I calculated it to be a MOD2.5. Problem is a 34 tooth with this profile has an OD of 90mm and my first gear falls with an OD of 88mm. The 33 tooth has an OD of 87.5mm.

I see random replacement gears here and there, so someone know what's up. Hopefully they're on this forum. Thanks....

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Do you have a three or a four

Do you have a three or a four speed transmission? The three speed boxes are not a constant mesh design and 2nd gear has a very different tooth profile to stand up to the beating it takes.

I don't know anything about gear cutting, but I bought a replacement 2nd gear, input shaft and output shaft from Josef Heft for my R52. I got them as spares so I could use them in case I had a problem with my R52 on the Motorcycle Cannonball in 2014. When I first ordered these parts, Heft had them in stock, but the inner splined hole on the 2nd gear wasn't sized correctly and had to be opened up slightly to fit on the shaft. Now everything fits and it all seems to be hardened - though I've had problems with parts (from other sources) not being hardened correctly and thus wearing out quickly.

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I have the 3 speed. It is

I have the 3 speed. It is constant mesh in my opinion, 1st and 3rd gear sets are stationary and the second gear set slide together forward or back to engage either first or third gear. A small spline on the input shaft engages second.

Does Josef have a website or means of contact or does he even want to be contacted? ha ha. I'd love to see if he can help.

Thanks, Darryl

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That's very interesting!

That's very interesting! Your transmission has been modified to be constant mesh! I've seen this adaptation before, it's a very clever idea, but I don't know how well it works in the real world. The photo attached shows what a stock 3 speed box looks like. Your box is not only modified to have a constant mesh 2nd gear, but a helical cut 3rd gear, which should cut down on the amount of whine that comes out of it. Mine's fairly loud, and Peter Nettesheim told me that of the several of these gearboxes he's worked on, all but one had a loud whine.

Heft seems to specialize in parts for the prewar tunnel cast motor bikes(R5 onwards), but he has a few parts for split case motors. The last catalog I saw from him, perhaps 2 years old now, didn't have a first gear, just the input shaft. But it is a stock item, like the one in my photo, so it probably won't help you.

You might contact Torsten Tausch in Berlin, he has a lot of specialty items for split case motor bikes. www.torsten-tausch.com. Actually, I was just verifying that link, and I see he has part of a constant mesh 3 speed box pictured on his home page. He's probably the person you need to talk to!

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The parts book shows 1st gear

The parts book shows 1st gear as the same part in both early and late versions of this gearbox. Maybe that increases your chance of finding a replacement, the rest of the gears being different.

My late model R11 has this type of gearbox, I believe it came in with series 4. I only have experience with one other early type gearbox (R62) and this later version changes easier and runs with very little whine, generally much nicer. The downside is I don't know of any suppliers doing the differing parts this version uses.

Please post any parts supply info you get.

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Crash box requires double clutching

Ian, thanks for getting me to pull out my R11 parts book, it's very interesting to look at. Indeed, this constant mesh arrangement came with the Series 4 and 5 machines, and in fact, there were 3 different arrangements over the course of the R11's 5 year run. Not only were the shafts different, but even the shift levers and transmission cases came in 3 different forms.

A constant mesh box will certainly change easier. I have to double clutch every shift into 2nd, whether from 1st or 3rd, to get it smooth.

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protogear

Started reverse engineering 1st gear. I'm 3D printing them out of a rigid Nylon in order to test. It's very cheap, the tolerances are really good and the nylon is durable enough for testing it. This is the 2nd prototype gear I made before getting it right. Next step I'll have one made of steel and let ya'll know how it goes....

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Wow! Everyone should have a

Wow! Everyone should have a 3-D printer!!

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That is a wonderful idea! I

That is a wonderful idea! I hope it works out for you.

I have had the thought in the back of my head that developing prototypes with 3D printing could overcome problems in making reproduction parts. In particular, if you need a floorboard for an R12, which is cast aluminum, you find that the reproductions don't fit. This is because they seem to have been made by using an original floorboard as a mold to do sand casting. But liquid aluminum shrinks by about 10% when it cools, so the resulting floorboard isn't right. If someone scanned an original floorboard, then printed it at 110%, it would make a better mold for reproduction floorboards.

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more printing

the Printing works well. I did this kickstart flange as well. It's printed 420 stainless and bronze. Needs post machining because there is shrinkage in the process and the shaft for the kickstart is worn in more ways than one (and needs machining).

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Hey Ian, If you find a

Hey Ian, If you find a supplier or builder for the later mesh transmission, let me know. Maybe we can go in halfies and reduce the costs a tad.

And I wonder if the later parts will fit an earlier series case. ('31/series III)? Man, what I wouldn't give to have a transmission that doesn't howl like banshee and make children cry.

Then all I'd have to complain about would be figuring out how to insert and retrofit the innards of a postwar muffler into the casing of the stock R11/16...

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Barry, I can't be 100%

Barry, I can't be 100% certain that the gearbox internals are interchangeable as I've never tried, but my guess is they are. The only difference I could see between the two gearboxes are the mounting point locations on the casing for attaching to the engine.

Finding one of these later boxes and swapping internals may be the best way to stop frightening the kids, they rebuild exactly the same way as the earlier version. While the main shaft and second gears are available for the early ones I don't know of any parts for the later ones apart from a few bushes from Torsten Tausch, can't understand why, they produced more S5's than other series. Like Darryl suggests try them.

Your comments on the mufflers made me smile, before my father died he was making some for the R11. This was in the 70's, in the Uk, and at a time when his R11 was the only known R11 in our little universe, and anything needed would have to be made. I remember them well, all stainless, inside the main outer tube they had a small chamber to the front feeding six smaller tubes held in place with a baffle front and back. All the tubes were different length and with a hole facing sideways close to the end of the blocked off tubes. I can't say for certain where this design idea came from but his other hobby was making bagpipes! Unfortunately for me they didn't look authentic and I never tried them, I know I really should have, it may have played "Flower of Scotland" note perfect

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Hello, I just acquired to R11

Hello,

I just acquired to R11 barn finds. Both will need some transmission parts. Any sources?

Lee

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Lee, I have a series 5 and I

Lee, I have a series 5 and I can't find any transmission parts so I'm making them myself. I have the whole transmission shaft and gear set modeled, but it's going to take some time to develop unless I win the lottery. I'll post my findings as things progress

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Hello, I am looking for

Hello,

I am looking for
Bevel speedo gear that goes on output shaft to cable, # G 56 H 1.
Bevel gear speedo that goes on the main drive output shaft, # G 56 E 7.
Gear for Kickstarter, # G 56 F2.

Thanks,

Lee

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Is this Flange Thickness Right?

Can anyone with an R11/62 transmission confirm if the flange on the right bearing case in the picture below is the correct thickness. It appears to me that someone at some point turned it down to be thinner. It's missing about 2mm to be flush with the case. Thanks

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Hello, Did you ever end up

Hello,

Did you ever end up making your 1st gear?
Both of my R11's could use one.
Also need a kickstart flange, mine has a 1/16 in of slop.

Take care,

Lee Deyoung

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I did. Here's a picture of it

I did. Here's a picture of it in place. I ended up machining a new bearing case too. I think my gear indexer is a remake and the divots are not in the original locations as my 1 st, N, and 2nd positions don't line up quite right, so I have to remake that as well.

I ended up reusing my original kickstarter flange, so if you want to buy the printed one off me, you're welcome. It will have to be machined to finish sizes but the material is there at least.

Also, I'd be happy to get you a gear or two but would wait until you have just about everything else figured out. They are quite expensive and if I recall you had some serious welding to figure out. Any progress on that?

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R11 gears

Very nice looking work!

Jeff

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Making new kickstarter gear

Hello,

Nice looking gear, good job.
My transmission case is on temp hold while I make a new kickstart gear.
Picture of old gear, lathe with indexing fixture, and new gear in chuck being broached.

I am interested in the kickstart flange, and 1st gear.
You can contact me at lee.deyoung@att.net

Take care,

Lee

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Making new kickstarter gear

Hello,

Kickstarter gear is done "made out of P20" and has been dry fit in the transmission, works.
Now need to get it case harden.

Take care,

Lee

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You Might want to try this

You Might want to try this route. If they're any good it's a hell of a deal.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-R52-Getriebe-komplett-/322325933217?hash=item...

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That is a very good deal, if

That is a very good deal, if - as dBDawg points out - the pieces are made correctly. The same seller is offering the internals for an R42 transmission, too.

But it bothers me that the seller has only just registered with eBay (Aug., 2016) and has only 2 sales. It may not mean anything, but it's worth taking care.

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