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obersturm
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Hi all,

chiming in from Melbourne/Australia. What a great community you have here!

I am after some thoughts by seasoned members on a basket case I am looking at purchasing for A$ 3999 (about US$3044 give or take)

I know in the states you can buy a nice bike for around US$ 6000 so basically do you think it is worth bringing back to original or is this a good cafe racer project or just to expensive any which way you look at it?

Any input is highly appreciated as this would be my first project.....

The bike came from New York apparently and is matching frame/motor. The dude that wanted to restore it has passed away and his son wants to sell this to fund the restoration of the Daytona orange one he owned, as well.

Here is the low down:

BMW R90S build 11/1973
Engine/Frame No : 4071706
Color: Smoke Silver
Milage: 34187 (no supporting documentation)

[img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIzMFgxNjAw/z/xssAAOSwBahU8YVj/$_20.JPG[/img]

[img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTMzM1gxNjAw/z/VzgAAOSwPhdU8YVm/$_20.JPG[/img]

[img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5NFgxNjAw/z/W0sAAOSwPhdU8YWR/$_20.JPG[/img]

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The advertising on the BMW Club Forum:

Matching numbers classic R90S for sale. Bike has 36,500 MILES on Odo. This bike was dismantled ready to be restored and the owner has passed away. Will suit an R90S enthusiast. Motor was apparently locked up but all parts are there plus some additional parts from other bikes that can be used to get this one running such as 2 recon carbys. Heads have been overhauled with hardened valve seats. The fuel tank has dents and scratches but I am including a second tank that has been repaired and undercoated ready for paint. No visible rust in the frame.

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obersturm
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Market overview...

Hi all,

just to give you an idea on what is available in Australia right now:

BMW R90S cafe racer motorcycle : AU $15,000.00

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BMW-R90S-cafe-racer-motorcycle-/301580019895?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item463791e8b7

[img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjU4WDc1OQ==/z/HucAAOSweW5VGnd~/$_14.JPG[/img]

Original 1975 BMW R 90 S $15,000, as well

[url]http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/SSE-AD-3228626/1975-BMW-R-90-S?cr=0&psq=((Year%3Drange%5B0..1991%5D%26((Make%3D%5BBMW%5D%26Model%3D%5BR%2090%20S%5D)%26((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)))%26Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D)&pso=0&pss=Premium[/url]

http://liveimages.bikesales.com.au/bikesales/general/content/gc5752032452739590297.jpg?height=700&width=1050&aspect=FitWithinNoPad

Original R90S 1975 $12,000

http://www.bmwmccvic.org.au/index.php/classified-ads/7-for-sale/331-r90s-1975-and-k100rs-1984

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Darryl.Richman
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First off, from what I've

First off, from what I've seen, a USD$6000 R90S is a rider, not a beautifully restored or beautiful original bike. Those have been selling into the teens and even more.

Next, these photos are so small it's difficult to tell very much. I can see that this bike has the later mirrors (the model year 1974 mirrors have curved stalks) and later front disks (the 74 disks were solid). I can't tell about the instruments, but the faces are different on the 74 model than 75 and 76. Also, if the clock is dead, which is common, then you face a choice about what to do.

Getting a good R90S paint job takes a specialist. I've seen a lot of crappy paint jobs because the painter didn't understand how it was done originally. It is not just black over silver. (Look closely at the feathered edge on an original paint job and you will see that the black is actually a very dark brown/green.) In the US there are a couple specialists and a paint job is several thousand dollars and a long wait.

While having a locked up motor is a concern, this can generally be repaired. Some things like pistons are expensive, and other things are surprisingly cheap.

If you're going for a concours type restoration, you have a lot of headroom on the price, but you'll probably end up spending $5-10k. If you're looking for a rider, you're probably better off buying one that's already together and running. If you're looking for a fun project, this might be your bike.

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obersturm
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thanks

Hey Darryl,

thanks for the advise. I remember an article about a workshop putting a bike together from almost new old stock parts and some refurb with a bill totaling just under $50.000.

Is the bike actually any better than say a later R100S in performance tems? Apart from the DellOrto carbs are there any differences in the gearbox or suspension, as well?

What would you say is your fascination with this bike? I only like it because it looked different back in the day and I remember uproar in the magazines my dad read in the mid seventies when I was growing up in a divided Berlin (thankfully on the free west side).

One of his friends gave me my very first ride on a bike (the than brand new R80 G/S) and still works in BMW Motorradwerk Spandau.

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Yeah, that was Max BMW in New

Yeah, that was Max BMW in New Hampshire. They built an "R90S", or as close as possible, entirely out of the BMW spare parts book. It has been great advertising for them, and for BMW. Could you do that with a mid 70s model from Honda or Harley?

The R90S is iconic for BMW fans, even though the race bikes were very different than the stock bikes. The actual bike has more performance than any preceding model. The intake roar is particularly nice when you open up those pumper Dell'Ortos - the constant velocity Bings can't match that. Even the R100s only briefly matched or slightly exceeded the R90S until smog regulations cut into the horsepower. But, the accelerator pumps also give poorer gas mileage, I'm lucky to get to 40mpg (that's the smallish, US gallons), and if I'm having fun with the bike it might only get somewhere in the 33-35mpg range.

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1976 Daytona Orange Barn Find 861 Km on the clock!!!! A$ 34,950

Hi all,

thought you might appreciate this one:

Australian Barn Find

BMW R90S 1976 BARN FIND

Genuine 861 km. Australian delivered, all original condition. Has patina commensurate with it's age. Inspections encouraged.

Selling with NO RESERVE : A$ 34,950

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R-90 S Colonial Finds-US $

This is interesting as to varying bike locating and prices. I have just purchased an original-but dual plugged- 1974 R 90 S
for right at $4500 (US) ; complete with SHOEI helmet. 69 K original miles. Running in good condition, with original tool kit,
and factory manuals.
BMW bags still attached. Like nuggets, its where you find them.

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R90S comparison

you raise an interesting question about this project bike...I agree with the comment about understanding what you want to do. I have a stock, original '74 R90S which is not a show bike but it has never been modified, runs well and is easy to work on. These run about $8-12k USD here in southern California; correctly restored ones are quickly appreciating and go for $15-20k. With good tires and shocks, the R90S it is still quick enough to have fun and will appreciate in value.

In contrast, I have a '77 R100RS which is a very different ride (and one of my favorite bikes for putting on mileage). If you want a real R90S, take advantage of the matching numbers and be prepared to spend significant money for all the reasons mentioned including the paint work. If you want a good rider, find a running bike of that era and know that you are not about to get into a big money outlay. The R90S for me was the bike I always wanter back in the day but couldn't afford as a poor student.

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Price for a R90S

I just started reading the R90S forum. I have a coworker with a 1974 R90S that has been in his garage unridden for 18 years. What's funny is that I had an opportunity to buy a R90S 19 years ago but passed on it. The owner wanted $3,200 for it back then. Of course I regret not buying it now.

My coworker knows I'm into bikes and especially BMWs. I suggested if he wants to get rid of it to let me know first. He's thinking about it. I don't have any details of the bike other than it's a '74 Silver Smoke. I'm trying to be subtle about him letting it go. I have no idea what he would want price wise but he did mention that he would sell it for not much more than what he purchased it. That was less than $2k, 20 years ago. I don't want to take advantage of the him and told him that it has appreciated since 1996. He may just want to give me a break on price because we're friends. I'll let you guys know how it turns out. I may just need to make room for another bike (5 in the garage right now). In the mean time, I'm learning a little more about the R90S.

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Aussie Barn Find Daytona Orange 76 R90s $34950

Hi Obersturm,

Just joined, Is this bike still available?

Thank you

Howden Tas 7054

Current bike 2014 R1200gs. Purchased 76 R90s new 04/76

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