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So since it seems the key to my '69 r60/2 fits thousands of other BMW's and vis versa from around the same era, what do folks do for parking/theft deterrence. I garage my bike but I do park it on the street every once and awhile.
Battery cut-off/lock/chain/etc?

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I really think that most

Battery cutoff won't work on a magneto /2.

I really think that most thieves are looking for something with more state-of-the-art glitz and resale value. It kind of comes down to numbers. The number of people who even recognize these bikes. That sort of small. The number of the general population that would even know how to start them. Very small. If someone did steal it and remained in the local area, the vintage community is likely pretty small and they'll be found out.

In the end, if someone is determined to get the bike, it takes 2-3 (big) guys, a truck/van, and your bike is gone in 30 seconds. No chain or Kryptonite lock is going to help.

Mine is also always garaged. I'm rarely in a situation where I'm going to leave it for any length of time. If I am, I usually with other riders either with similar bikes or in a crowd with more desirable bikes...see paragraph 1.

I suppose you could consider something that might give someone pause to stealing it...if there's an easier opportunity somewhere else, they'll move on. But if they want it, see paragraph 2.

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I agree entirely with Kurt

For a long time I fretted over the risk of theft but in the end concluded that /2s are very rarely stolen. A thief would quickly learn that finding buyers for purloined parts would take more time than it's worth. I worry more about random vandalism or loss of accessories (GPS, for example) than I do about theft of the bike itself.

It's hard to find statistics, but I recall that the high-volume Japanese bikes are most likely to be stolen because there is a fairly robust market for used parts. I've been riding /2s since the sixties and I have to really search my shrinking brain to recall anyone I know who had a BMW stolen. Same is true for having gasoline siphoned from a tank. I stopped locking my tank decades ago.

At home the bike is in the garage for reasons of preservation. On the road I try to park where I can see the bike, or maybe park it in line-of-sight from the manager's office in a motel. I am always pleased by how often night managers volunteer to keep an eye on the wheels. These are just ordinary, common-sense measures, nothing high-tech or industrial about it.

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I have a Power Dynamo 12V

I have a Power Dynamo 12V upgrade so I do have the battery cut-off option. And if/when I ride into work (NYC) the bike is also parked in a garage. Its the times you might be out and having a quick dinner or movie and it's out-of-site for a bit. I have not really done that yet but was just wondering if over the years maybe someone came up with a better mouse-trap.

I've already had a bike stolen many years ago. It wasn't such a collectable that I was worried about it. But it didn't matter to the thieves when as you say, if they want it they will get it. Sucks when that happens. With the /2 it would break my heart if you know what I mean.

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I can certainly feel for

I can certainly feel for you...no matter what is stolen, it really gets to you deep. I would be devastated if any of my bikes were stolen, given all the effort and attention I've given them.

You might consider some kind of hidden switch if you have switched to a battery ignition system. Still, if they want to start it, it takes some knowledge of the ticklers, how much, priming the engine, etc. Likely they'll wear themselves out trying to start it...unless they pick it up and carry it off.

To be honest, I don't think I've ever used my bikes to run around doing errands, see a movie, etc. They're strictly for weekend/casual rides/long touring kind of thing. If I were to take mine downtown and spend several hours doing something, I guess I'd be worried as well. So, it that context, maybe a battery cutoff some place and a reasonable cable lock that you can tie to something or tie it between the front and rear wheel. But those external things can be cut easily. In the end, you're providing some kind of visual cue that it "might not be worth it" and they would move on to an easier target.

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If they want it, they will get it.

But I agree with all the answers above. Who finally want to steal a such bike ? I our /2 group owners in France I have not heard that one bike was stollen.
I let it many time in the street in Paris, for few hours with a kryptonite lock, nothing happened.
During my trip on my R50 through Central & South America, I bring a 4,50 m câble and kriptonite. I used it few times, most of time my bike was in a parking with guards. Sometimes in the lobby of the hôtel, sometimes outdoor with the câble and a cover on it.
The idea was that thieves don't like hard work.
I also put on it a contact which short circuit the coil (contact number 2) to the frame.
But really, i don't believe that thieves are interested by our bikes or only for one picture by their mobile phone..

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Steering lock.

No mention of the steering lock? Is that only on later /2s? A pretty simple device that makes wheeling it away pretty hard, whether it's running or not. Very few people know about the universal key and almost no one at all would carry one hoping to find a bike to steal. Smart parking, and the steering lock should be enough to deter anything except a few guys with a lift back truck.

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....steering lock...

...yup, that's what I thought too, but didn't say...but what is a universal key?...

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Yes, the steering lock is

Yes, the steering lock is best. If they are going to do more than that then there's not much more you can do.

Funny that it was mentioned that they may "wear themselves out" trying to start it. Good One.
If they happen to use the ticklers on my bike I'm sure it'll still be there when I get back.

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Meaning same for all.

R68 wrote:

...yup, that's what I thought too, but didn't say...but what is a universal key?...

That ignition key that is the same for all /2s. Being undifferentiated for all /2s makes the "key" a very weak security device, unlike most all other motor vehicles.

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Steering lock

A skate board under the front wheel.. That's enough. Zero risk does not exist.
But if few people want to own a /2, nobody want to steal it.
Don't forget that we are dinosaurs...

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They do get dragged away

My sad experience came before I knew how desirable these bikes have become.
The 69 R60 was in a locked barn but apparently a couple of teenagers got in and learned of it.
Then it was 2 or 3 years later that they blabbed to someone who managed to bring a truck,
take the doors apart and take the bike away in the night. So far, not recovered.
My big mistakes were several:
The barn was too secluded, I never had a working fork key, Assumed nobody knew about the
bike not to mention general neglect from living to far away.
As Kurt mentioned, it is a devastating and very hard loss. I guess that "barn rummaging"
happens - unless you are vigilant. Bike VIN # 1811647 stolen in N.Carolina Fall 2011.
I should refresh my notice about it from March 5 2012.

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That's terrible.On the

That's terrible.
On the lighter side concerning the Universal key or in this case "nail" on our BMW's. When my oldest daughter turned 17 and got her license I bought her an old Mercury Tracer. It was the Lincoln-Mercury version of the Ford Escort so a sub-compact. Sometimes I would have to borrow it to get to the train station in the morning. Pissed me off she never kept it clean inside and I often threatened to take it away from her. One late evening after a particularly long and hard day at work I dragged myself to the parking lot and was very surprised to find the interior of the car so clean I hardly recognized it. She must have come to the train station parking lot and cleaned out the car. Or so I thought. While driving home I noticed new items in the car like a CD player instead of a cassette player. Wait... the interior of the car was now blue, not tan? She's not that good and this is years before those car makeover shows. Realized I had started and taken the wrong car from the lot (same exterior color, white). Hooboy. Went back and parked it in the same spot and found her trash filled car a couple spots down. Her key fit both.

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car mix up

stagewex wrote:

That's terrible.
On the lighter side concerning the Universal key or in this case "nail" on our BMW's. When my oldest daughter turned 17 and got her license I bought her an old Mercury Tracer. It was the Lincoln-Mercury version of the Ford Escort so a sub-compact. Sometimes I would have to borrow it to get to the train station in the morning. Pissed me off she never kept it clean inside and I often threatened to take it away from her. One late evening after a particularly long and hard day at work I dragged myself to the parking lot and was very surprised to find the interior of the car so clean I hardly recognized it. She must have come to the train station parking lot and cleaned out the car. Or so I thought. While driving home I noticed new items in the car like a CD player instead of a cassette player. Wait... the interior of the car was now blue, not tan? She's not that good and this is years before those car makeover shows. Realized I had started and taken the wrong car from the lot (same exterior color, white). Hooboy. Went back and parked it in the same spot and found her trash filled car a couple spots down. Her key fit both.

HAHA that is a great story!!! I've often wondered how many times that happens. Maybe your daughters dirty car is a deterrent to thieves? they take one look at the mess inside and walk away! haha

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Perhaps. Whe I took the r60

Perhaps. When I took the r60 down to Daytona a few weeks ago it was the first time I ever parked it outside. At the motel overnight I'd cable it with a lock to my trailer. When parked I just used the fork key. No one ever screwed around with it. I guess whatever is going fro happen... will happen. Just don't want to make it too easy. The bike attracted a lot of attention mixed in with all those Harley's.

Funny thing is that I never had a place to lock or attach my helmet when parked so I just left it on the handlebars. It was always there when I came back hours and hours later. Nobody in Florida was interested in wearing any helmets much less taking mine. Good for me.

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bike theft

That's funny. I also have a Harley Davidson Road King and a couple Old Cushman Scooters. I live about 25 miles from Sturgis, SD Whenever I ride my Cushman during the Rally I get crowds surrounding it. I worry about someone stealing the Cushman before I do the Harley. with 500,000 bikes in the area no one cares about a Harley Road King. It looks just like the rest of them, separated by only which aftermarket chrome pieces were bolted on haha. this year I am driving the r60 down main street Sturgis. I know it will generate more attention than the Harley. Smile

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Thieving thieves

Years ago (before faxes and the internet) a messenger company in Washington DC used only /2 BMW's painted yellow. The riders took the bikes home at night and parked them on the city streets, often with the ignition key in place. I too would leave my R69S parked on the street in both Washington DC and later upon moving back to NYC. Never a problem except the occasional knock-over by poor parallel parkers. Today I would do no such thing: the parts have become too precious. A bike can be broken down to it's component parts and booted out over ebay. With very little risk to the abductor. I now chain mine to a 12 ft. alligator.

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