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I have been offered to buy this 1927 BMW. Seller states it is all 1 bike but the front end that is a reproduction. I have learnt from his description that all components are in working order. Price close to $20K... Is it worth it??? (I know they do not make 'em anymore).

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Darryl would be the one to

Darryl would be the one to provide some insight...he rode his R52 in the Cannonball this past year. You could look at some of his pictures in the link on the left side of the screen.

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I take it there is no frame,

I take it there is no frame, wheels or guards, no gas tank all the components are in need of major work, I would say no more than $5K , probably $3K is closer to the value, If it was British 1920s and the same stuff would be worth $1,500 tops.. If you have a full machine shop available to you that would be one thing but if you have to send the work out you would need to budget say $30K on top of the purchase price just a guesstimate , ask Peter N he would have a better idea than most as to its real value. If you are really struck by this thing, get on the net see what parts you can buy add it all up then double it and you may be somewhere near it. I have an R42 and an R47 and I paid too much for them , but they are hard to find in this country cheers Peter

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There ia a R51 available as well

I was offered to buy whatever is in the above pictures. In addition the guy has this R51 for sale as well at similar price.....I asked for more pics and was promised to get some soon so we will see... I know my way around vintage 1950-1969 BMW machines but I am clueless when it comes to an early stuff.

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...as you might already know,

...as you might already know, that seems to be a 1938-41 R51. It also has an 1936-37 R5 motor in place however, and still has it's original Amal Fischer carbs. It's a very desirable motorcycle. Search on "R51SS"; it might even be an example of an R5 modified for Netherlands ISDT as is Paul Seibert's bike...if you flip that bike, you'll make ALOT of money!...why don't I ever find stuff like this one?...

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As it stands if there is no

As it stands if there is no frame, mudguards, tank and several other items I cant see that value in it. These replacement parts are available at some cost, but how original is the bike then? Does it matter? I imagine to most it will, and therefore be reflected in it’s future value.

As a guide I recently restored an R62, which is essentially the same bike, from a better starting point being 99% complete. I did as much work as possible myself and it still cost £15K+ for a no corners cut restoration, buying the parts needed, getting it painted, and plated etc. Allowing for the missing parts I would also go with the $30K+ estimate to do a complete no corners cut job.

If those parts are there, the cost doesn’t hurt, your not looking for instant profit, and you enjoy the challenge it could be worthwhile at that price. It’s a scarce bike and will almost certainly appreciate in value.

Alternatively for comparison there is an R52 for sale in the UK at £28000. I do not know the bike or it’s “real” condition but it looks very shiny in the advert. Doing the maths… that bike could prove better value for money than this restoration project. If you are like me the real pleasure is in the restoration and buying someone else’s shiny bike would not appeal. The R51 looks a nice project but I can’t say if it’s value.

Are you being told the front forks and suspension tube are new? They don't look new, I notice these have extra strengthening braces on the suspension tube bends and below the bottom yolk. I am of the understanding these were fitted to R63 but other more knowledgeable members may be able to clarify if that is correct.

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The R52 is indeed just a pile

The R52 is indeed just a pile of parts. It would have value to someone like me who already owns an R52, but it will be difficult to create an R52 out of what's in the pictures. There are a lot of parts that are missing, and I see a number of parts in there that don't appear to go to an R52. Although I would like to have the parts shown as spares, I don't think I'd pay more than a couple thousand for them.

Note that you can buy a repop frame and other missing items, and they're not terribly expensive. I recall seeing a repop frame or sale at 2,000 euros. But then you have something pretty fuzzy in the eyes of the law (and collectors, too).

For example, California, where I live, would consider that a new kit bike, and would require all the modern safety features, like always on headlight, turn signals, etc. And they would want to put a California assigned frame number on it.

You could take a guess about a correct frame number and stamp it yourself, but you risk duplicating an existing number and getting into trouble. And if you pick a number that actually went to one of the other models at that time, collectors would find out when they asked BMW about it.

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